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The Third Turn Podcast

Conversations on long-term leadership and legacy.

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Dacia Coffey - Episode 33

Episode 33: Driving Down the Revenue Road

Our guest in Episode 33 is Dacia Coffey - a passionate advocate for “making impact before the invoice” and letting no opportunities for deep connection and service go to waste. So when it comes specifically to “the road to revenue”, Dacia sees and speaks in a singular, integrated way--she doesn’t bifurcate between purpose and practicality, finance and marketing, or current and future revenue.

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What is the Third Turn Podcast all about?

The world-class leader’s journey has three turns. 

In the first, you learn to lead your self. You learn about you, your capacities, your boundaries, and how to lead where you are concerned. 

In the second, others have acknowledged your gifts and invite you to lead a team or an organization. You learn about the organization - its capacities and its boundaries, and about how to lead where others are concerned. 

Once these turns are mastered, the world-class leader can enter turn three —a uniquely sculpted place. You have opportunity to craft deeper vision out of chaos, to discover and orchestrate future value for the organization you steward, and to lead where legacy is concerned. Executive leaders whose careers take them to ultimate guidance of an organization are challenged to move into futures they might glimpse but often cannot fully see. A firm's future value, as well as the executive's succession and legacy, is tied to how they lead from this point. This is Maestro-level leadership. 

The Maestro-level leader is entering the third turn of a journey; this is where our conversations will flow as a resource for accomplished leaders who intend to soar toward that future.

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Mark L. Vincent  Phd, EPC

Founder, Maestro-level leaders

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Kristin Evenson   

Change & Transitions Coach | Consultant | Facilitator, Junctures LLC

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Dacia Coffey - Episode 33

Episode 33: Driving Down the Revenue Road
Our guest in Episode 33 is Dacia Coffey - a passionate advocate for “making impact before the invoice” and letting no opportunities for deep connection and service go to waste. So when it comes specifically to “the road to revenue”, Dacia sees and speaks in a singular, integrated way--she doesn’t bifurcate between purpose and practicality, finance and marketing, or current and future revenue.

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Rob McKenna & Daniel Hallak - Episode 32

Episode 32: Bespoke Leader Development_WiLD Leaders
In Episode 32 we have two leaders joining us to help us look more squarely at developing the next generation of organizational leaders. WiLD Leaders and our guests Dr. Rob McKenna and Dr. Daniel Hallack advocate for and resource organizations with a whole and intentional leader development (WiLD) approach.

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Mark & Kristin - Episode 31

Episode 31: SMEs As a Litmus Test for Leadership
Join Mark & Kristin for the 31st Episode as they discuss the critical role of Subject Matter Experts (SMEs). Especially at the Third Turn, as we intentionally peer into the mist of future opportunity, vitality, and value, Subject Matter Experts in areas like trends and innovation, strategic finance modeling, and talent development can bring much-needed perspective to serve and grow the mission in fresh, timely, market-relevant ways. And whether, when, and how we engage them can serve as a litmus test both for the types of leaders we are and for our outcomes and probability of success.

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Connie Miller - Episode 30

Episode 30: Maintaining Focus Amid Big Change
Connie J. Miller, has a keen eye.  And the gifts of observation and strategy have served her well as both a CEO who identified and then led an organizational merger within the credit union industry, and as an accomplished poker player! (She’s won seats to play at the World Poker Tour and the Ladies World Series of Poker).

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Phil Bergey - Episode 29

Episode 29: Managing Polarities
In this episode we feature a rebroadcast of colleague Phil Bergey’s “Leadership Meets Life” podcast (Episode #2) on this important topic--identifying and managing polarities. The world we live and lead in today has no shortage of problems and polarities on numerous fronts--culturally, organizationally, strategically, and relationally, just to name a few. And certainly, as leaders, a key part of our role is to help our organizations (as well as ourselves!) manage and navigate problems and polarities productively. But are we insightful and objective enough to distinguish between the two?

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Episode 28: Our first year!
To celebrate the 1 year anniversary of the Third Turn Podcast, in Episode 28, Kristin and Mark share their favorite excerpts from this past year -- a reprise of sorts -- reminding us how beautiful the work of Maestro-level leadership is, and how difficult it is to navigate by oneself. Their choice to use the labels of Artisan, Artist, and Maestro when identifying the Three Turns of Executive Leadership point to the problems inherent in working alone. Leaders need followers, partners, and colleagues!

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Scott Rodin - Episode 27

Episode 27: Maestro-level Leaders as Steward Leaders
Dr. R. Scott Rodin joins us in Episode 27 of the Third Turn Podcast. He is a well-recognized author, advocate, consultant, and executive coach who has a burden for leaders ‘struggling under the weight of ownership in their approach to work.’  And he recognizes it because he’s lived it.  Scott shares about his own personal and paradigm-shifting journey from leading others with a sense of ownership to leading others with a sense of stewardship, and the freedom and joy that were byproducts of this shift.

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Della Stanley-Green - Episode 26

Episode 26: Leaving but Not Leaving
Join us in Episode 26 as we talk with Della Stanley-Green about her career journey which has been more of a zig-zag path to places others might have gotten to by a more direct route.  Her leadership journey has been marked by seasons of service and shifts between a variety of seats on the bus. This unconventional way hasn’t always been comfortable or easy for her.

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Mark & Kristin - Episode 25

Episode 25: The Board and the Third Turn Leader
The role of the board comes up squarely and consistently in conversations with Third Turn leaders. Readiness to develop future value and succession strategy at the organizational and leadership level does not necessarily translate to board readiness. And oftentimes the board finds itself in catch-up mode. In this episode, we talk about Third Turn governance implications for a board’s legal duties.

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Episode 24 - Tom Sine

Episode 24: Foresight and Future Value
Future value--a richer, more mission-centric definition plus ways to identify and develop it--is what we dig into in this episode, with the help of our guest, futurist Tom Sine. Tom has great experience and perspective here, holding a PhD in history with a minor in strategic foresight and having worked for more than three decades with a broad range of churches and global non-profit groups.

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Dennis Gingerich - Episode 23

Episode 23: A Maestro-level Journey
In Episode 23 of The Third Turn Podcast, we speak with Dennis Gingerich, a unique leader with a rich viewpoint on Third Turn living and leading. After an intentional 5-year prep and planning process, Dennis transitioned in title and responsibilities from Senior Pastor to Founding Pastor of Cape Christian Fellowship, the church he’d planted 20+ years earlier. He stayed with the ministry for roughly 12 years since and served alongside three successive successors.

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Mark & Kristin - Episode 22

Episode 22: 4 x 400
Kristin Evenson & Mark Vincent tackle Episode 22 of The Third Turn Podcast. This episode, titled after a relay race, is actually more akin to a volleyball match! But instead of passing batons or spiking balls, they alternate sharing concepts and metaphors that will help bring the three turns of leadership to life.

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Todd Hartsch - Episode 21

Episode 21: Work & Meaning
Our guest, Todd Hartch, professor at Eastern Kentucky University, is credentialed at the intersection of history, philosophy, and religion, but also informed by a family history in business. Todd started his studies early!--taking weekly economics lessons from his grandfather at age 10. And now, a student of Catholic social thought, Todd shares a faith-centered perspective on things like:

  • Work and meaning
  • Ownership and stewardship
  • Reflection and action

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Dawn Yoder-Graber - Episode 20

Episode 20: Leading as a Woman Into and Through 3 Turns
In Episode 20 we talk with Dawn Yoder Graber. She is another great example of how our Third Turn giftedness and calling is oftentimes birthed from our life challenges and crucibles. She’s had a keen eye attuned to women leaders (or the lack thereof!) starting as a young girl, that’s now blossomed into a mission and passion to use her own transforming influence for the benefit of others--equipping and advocating for women in context of today’s leadership roles and realities.

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Kenny Cox - Episode 19

Episode 19: My Third Turn Journey
Our greatest leadership and life crucibles are often the birthplace of our greatest giftedness and contributions, and Kenneth Cox’s story brings this to life in a powerful way. In fact, Kenny’s leadership journey brings lots of Third Turn principles to life:

  • leveraging lessons learned in Turns 1-2 into a powerful Third Turn focus;
  • laying groundwork for a very creative “future value” vision for his company;
  • living his life focused now on legacy and future impact;
  • and even having a brand new grandbaby that underscores his “future generations” focus. (Kenny even considers his new grandfather role as his ‘Third Turn in parenting leadership’!)

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Mark & Kristin - Episode 18

Episode 18:The Brain, Courage, & Calling
The battle is real for the Third Turn Leader. In this episode, we hit the hard stuff head-on with reasons and concepts that explain why Third Turn work can feel hard, and with encouragement that a new set of skills and competencies arise right on time.

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Tami Heim - Episode 17

Episode 17: Career Long Executive Leadership Development
In this episode of the Third Turn Podcast we interview CLA's own Tami Heim as she discussed her own lifelong learning through the Three Turns of Executive Leadership Development.  Tami is one of those persons who lives with this sentiment in the deepest part of her soul. It shows in the way she serves as a Maestro-level leader.

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Third Turn Podcast - Episode 16 - Jay Bennett

Episode 16: The Strength of a Leader’s Voice
This episode grew from the seed of a personal observation cohost Mark L. Vincent made about the weight of his voice as a Third Turn leader; and sprung fully to life in our interview with Jay Bennett--who not only resonates with a leader’s weight of voice, but literally lost his voice for about 6 years at his Third Turn.

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Episode 15: The Third Turn Leader and Charitable Giving
Our visit with Kate Frillmann on the Third Turn Podcast emphasizes the importance of being as thoughtful and plan-ful for charitable giving in the Third Turn as for all other aspects of long-term leadership, succession, and legacy. This is especially vital if a leader cares about the direction and impact of their generous response of giving back.

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Brian Van de Water

Episode 14: Parent to Child Business Transitions
Brian Van de Water's Third Turn entailed moving out of a President's role to the work he now does with SPL Consulting in strategic planning, lean process, and succession planning, largely in family-owned firms. We invited Brian to talk through his extensive experience in creating bridges between a Founder-Owner and the child or otherwise-appointed heir to a business. The result is an informative conversation for all of us working in or advising family- and privately-owned companies.

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Episode 13: I Can't Find My Heart!
Formula 1 racer wannabe, therapist, Convene Chair, and co-owner of Eden Business Concepts, Dennis Humphrey joins us for a conversation about the heart of the Executive Leader. He is a reminder that influence and long-term development of self and others come from listening and inquiry, not pushing and shouting.

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Episode 12: What Are The Trends?
In this episode, Mark L. Vincent and Kristin Evenson discuss three specific cultural trends they've been noticing that have a significant impact on both leaders and those they serve.

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Episode 11: It's all Soup!
Mike Tenpas is a Maestro-level leader with a strong history of company growth, building a healthy company culture, and meeting the needs of the UFS marketplace. This conversation covers his journey of coming behind a Founder and entering into his own Third Turn in executive leadership.

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Episode 10: The Successor's Journey
In this episode of the Third Turn Podcast, we engage in a twin set of interviews with CEOs who followed strong predecessors. Listen to Lon Swartzentruber, CEO of Design Group International, and Carmen Fowler LaBerge, Host of Reconnect with Carmen, to tackle what worked for them, what didn't, and what they would have done differently.

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Episode 9: Being the CEO of Your Body
Chelsea Gloeckner is purposeful. And her purpose ties to yours, if you are serious about lifelong excellent leadership and remaining at the top of your game -- not just through the years but in the ups and downs of your daily rhythms. Her insight and practical suggestions are your friends. Join us as we talk through how to be the CEO of Your Body with Chelsea.

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Episode 8: Metamodernity and Bildung - Part 2
Join us as we continue on our conversation with Lene Rachel Andersen. As a Danish futurist and Bildung renaissance leader, Lene digs into the topics of Metamodernity and Bildung.

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Episode 7: Metamodernity and Bildung - Part 1
With each episode of the Third Turn Podcast we host a conversation among leaders who want the world to flourish for generations beyond their lifetimes.  Lene Rachel Andersen does this in spades. As a Danish futurist and Bildung renaissance leader, Lene digs into the topics of Metamodernity and Bildung.

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Episode 6: The Brimful Life
Hear an inspiring conversation with Beth Ridley, a Third Turn leader, who brings her extensive expertise in positive psychology and leadership of global teams to the building of healthy organizational cultures to our next episode.

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Episode 5:The Four Doorways of the Three Turns
This episode picks up on musings co-host Jeanette Robért had at the very beginning: What about those who find themselves at a doorway into their next turn as a leader?  What if they are stuck? How do they get through? How might they recognize that they are approaching their next turn?

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Episode 4: Succession
A conversation with Doug Fagerstrom, CEO of Marketplace Chaplains and co-author with Peter Greer in the recently released book Succession.  Doug provides great insight, with a compelling case for succession to be at the heart of an executive's work from the beginning.

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Episode 3: The Brain and the Third Turn Leader
We welcome Kristin Evenson to discuss what happens in the brain when executive leaders face major transitions.

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Episode 1

Episode 2: Those Three Turns
This Episode is a deeper dive into the Three Turns of the Executive Leader. We lay out the map and briefly touch on either making one of those turns a satisfying career, or, alternatively, getting stuck.

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Episode 1

Episode 1: Hello!
In this first podcast, we are going to lay the groundwork for what we hope is a long and strong partnership, providing a resource for the advanced executive leader who is focused on developing future value, a strong succession and a lasting legacy. We use the phrase “for our grandchildren’s grandchildren and the grandchildren’s grandchildren of others” as a way to picture what we are after.

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