--- title: "Episode 60: Pivotal Moments in Leadership’s Three Turns?" description: Co-hosts Kristin Evenson and Mark L. Vincent reflect in this episode on a pivotal experience in each of their three turns of leadership. The stories they share bring to life the important work for each of us that lies embedded in Turns One, Two, and Three, and the formative experiences that not only transform us as leaders but equip us to increasingly see a broader scope beyond ourselves and a future beyond our own leadership. image: https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hubfs/112222%20-%20Mark%20%26%20Kristin%20Blog%20Post%20Header.png --- ![www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI Logo (New)DGI Logo - Landscape-1](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/social-suggested-images/www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png?width=200&height=93&name=www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png) ![www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI Logo (New)DGI Logo - Landscape-1](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/social-suggested-images/www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png?width=200&height=93&name=www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png) ![www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI Logo (New)DGI Logo - Landscape-1](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/social-suggested-images/www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png?width=200&height=93&name=www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png) - [ABOUT US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - What is Process Consulting? - [MEET US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Areas of Specialty - Meet Our Process Consultants - Meet our Partners and Senior Consultants - Meet our Consultants - [Maestro-level leaders](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Society for Process Consulting](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Culture Change Leadership](https://www.acausegreater.org/) - [BE A CONSULTANT ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Explore Process Consulting - Community of Practice - Shared Platform - [BE CREDENTIALED](https://linktr.ee/MaestroSuiteAdvisors) - [RESOURCES ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Blog Library - Books - Podcasts - Cohorts - Case Studies - [ABOUT US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - What is Process Consulting? - [MEET US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Areas of Specialty - Meet Our Process Consultants - Meet our Partners and Senior Consultants - Meet our Consultants - [Maestro-level leaders](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Society for Process Consulting](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Culture Change Leadership](https://www.acausegreater.org/) - [BE A CONSULTANT ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Explore Process Consulting - Community of Practice - Shared Platform - [BE CREDENTIALED](https://linktr.ee/MaestroSuiteAdvisors) - [RESOURCES ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Blog Library - Books - Podcasts - Cohorts - Case Studies Get Started # Episode 60: Pivotal Moments in Leadership’s Three Turns? ![Kristin Evenson](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hubfs/Kristin%20Evenson.jpeg) by [Kristin Evenson](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/author/kristin-evenson) November 22, 2022 ![112222 - Mark & Kristin Blog Post Header](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/112222%20-%20Mark%20%26%20Kristin%20Blog%20Post%20Header.png?width=633&height=356&name=112222%20-%20Mark%20%26%20Kristin%20Blog%20Post%20Header.png) Pivotal Moments in Leadership’s Three Turns? [Episode #60 of the Third Turn Podcast with Mark Vincent & Kristin Evenson](https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/gqaCB52e9ub) In this episode, Mark and I tell stories—pivotal stories from our own three turns of leadership. The personal experiences we share here happened in a wide variety of leadership contexts—a brokerage firm, boardroom, Burger King, and church, to name just a few—but all have one thing in common: They were deeply formative, pivotal moments in our respective leadership journeys. A couple involved recognizing our respective blind spots. Several were deeply humbling. A couple were redemptive and life-giving. But in all cases, the stories Mark and I reflect on together here stretched us, grew us, and, we realize in retrospect, played a key role in calling out character from us and probably even equipped us for the next turn of leadership that awaited. As you listen, we hope it will prompt you too to reflect on those formative, pivotal moments of your own leadership journey. What have been pivotal moments that called you further and more deeply into leadership? And perhaps equipped and invited you into a next turn?   Additional Resources: E.S. Schumacher distinguishes [four fields of knowledge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Guide_for_the_Perplexed): (1) self-knowledge; (2) knowledge of the self of others; (3) knowledge of the self as seen by others; and (4) knowledge of the outside world —which is a helpful reference relative to our blind spots. Mark and I mention a couple of organizations and individuals that played a key role for us—actually, both in helping usher in our third turn. - [Bridge2Rwanda](https://www.bridge2rwanda.org/) connects worthy but disadvantaged students in Africa with educational opportunities in the US and Canada—giving them a 1-year college prep experience as they apply to colleges. My international daughter Mary Maker—born in South Sudan and raised in Kakuma Refugee Camp in Kenya—came to my alma mater, St. Olaf College in Northfield MN, and I’ve been a host parent for her. Check out Mary’s Ted Talk [(“Why I Fight For The Education of Refugee Girls (Like Me)”)](https://www.ted.com/talks/mary_maker_why_i_fight_for_the_education_of_refugee_girls_like_me?language=en) recorded when Ted visited Kakuma a few years ago, to get a dose of this gifted dynamo. - Meeting [Dennis R Humphrey](https://edenbusinessconcepts.com/our-team/) (of [Eden Business Concepts](https://edenbusinessconcepts.com/)) presented Mark with an important decision about the leadership of his Convene roundtable.   Listen to the Episode Now: Or Listen on your Favorite Platform: [![Spotify](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/spotify-icon-green-logo-8.png?width=25&name=spotify-icon-green-logo-8.png)](https://open.spotify.com/show/1AA0Ddsaplyjsriqtsi8G2)[ ![Apple Podcast](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Apple%20Podcast.jpg?width=25&name=Apple%20Podcast.jpg)](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-third-turn/id1531836413)[ ![Google Podcasts](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Google%20Podcasts.png?width=25&name=Google%20Podcasts.png) ](https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8yY2YyM2NlMC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw==)[ ![Pandora](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Pandora.png?width=25&name=Pandora.png)  ](https://www.pandora.com/podcast/the-3rd-turn/PC:43267)[![Anchor FM](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/anchor.png?width=25&name=anchor.png)](https://anchor.fm/thethirdturn) ![Kristin Evenson](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Kristin%20Evenson.jpeg?width=123&name=Kristin%20Evenson.jpeg) ![Kristin - Signature Final](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Kristin%20-%20Signature%20Final.png?width=85&name=Kristin%20-%20Signature%20Final.png)   [- Kristin Evenson](https://www.junctures.net/)   *[![Want to Subscribe? 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