--- title: "Episode 47: Learning & Leading As We Age" description: In this episode, Kristin Evenson and Mark L. Vincent discuss the new forms of intelligence available to us as we age, and things to lean into as well as things to let go of. These things provide us important opportunity--especially as Third Turn leaders--to bring more collaborative, integrative, cumulative wisdom to bear on the challenges and opportunities through which we live and lead. image: https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hubfs/Mark%20L.%20Vincent%20(Third%20Turn)/Podcast%20Featured%20Image.png --- ![www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI Logo (New)DGI Logo - Landscape-1](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/social-suggested-images/www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png?width=200&height=93&name=www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png) ![www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI Logo (New)DGI Logo - Landscape-1](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/social-suggested-images/www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png?width=200&height=93&name=www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png) ![www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI Logo (New)DGI Logo - Landscape-1](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/social-suggested-images/www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png?width=200&height=93&name=www.designgroupinternational.comhs-fshubfs_DGI%20Logo%20(New)DGI%20Logo%20-%20Landscape-1.png) - [ABOUT US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - What is Process Consulting? - [MEET US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Areas of Specialty - Meet Our Process Consultants - Meet our Partners and Senior Consultants - Meet our Consultants - [Maestro-level leaders](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Society for Process Consulting](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Culture Change Leadership](https://www.acausegreater.org/) - [BE A CONSULTANT ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Explore Process Consulting - Community of Practice - Shared Platform - [BE CREDENTIALED](https://linktr.ee/MaestroSuiteAdvisors) - [RESOURCES ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Blog Library - Books - Podcasts - Cohorts - Case Studies - [ABOUT US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - What is Process Consulting? - [MEET US ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Areas of Specialty - Meet Our Process Consultants - Meet our Partners and Senior Consultants - Meet our Consultants - [Maestro-level leaders](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Society for Process Consulting](https://www.maestrosuiteadvisors.com/) - [Culture Change Leadership](https://www.acausegreater.org/) - [BE A CONSULTANT ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Explore Process Consulting - Community of Practice - Shared Platform - [BE CREDENTIALED](https://linktr.ee/MaestroSuiteAdvisors) - [RESOURCES ](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/javascript;) - Blog Library - Books - Podcasts - Cohorts - Case Studies Get Started # Episode 47: Learning & Leading As We Age ![Kristin Evenson](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hubfs/Kristin%20Evenson.jpeg) by [Kristin Evenson](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/mark-l-vincent-blog/author/kristin-evenson) May 24, 2022 ![052422 - Mark & Kristin Blog Post Header (1)](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/052422%20-%20Mark%20%26%20Kristin%20Blog%20Post%20Header%20(1).png?width=650&name=052422%20-%20Mark%20%26%20Kristin%20Blog%20Post%20Header%20(1).png) Learning & Leading As We Age Episode #47 of the Third Turn Podcast with Kristin & Mark [![Access the Episode](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Access%20the%20Episode.png?width=184&name=Access%20the%20Episode.png)](https://anchor.fm/thethirdturn/episodes/Learning--Leading-As-We-Age-e1i9l6a) We’re all rather painfully aware of the realities of aging that threaten or very naturally diminish us--physically and also mentally.  And yet…there is much (often overlooked) evidence of forms of wisdom and intelligence that actually grow and manifest in us in the second half of life; types of wisdom and intelligence that aren’t available to us in the first half of life. How can we better understand these realities and better integrate the forms of intelligence of our teams for the greater good of our organizations? These are the questions and insights Mark and I unpack in today’s conversation.  Things like: - - - The **developmental IQ** that can deepen in us as we age--giving us a new ability to synthesize disparate views, to observe things from a systems perspective, and to hold opposing views or options at bay until a more integrative and often more creative “third way” emerges. - The** crystallized intelligence** that peaks in our 40s and 50s and can stay strong well into our 80s. - The **deepened resilience** that results from dealing honestly with losses--often ambiguous but no less real--that we experience as we age. And some important questions to ask ourselves--for the benefit of our own lives and those we lead: - - - What does it mean to redefine ourselves and our goals and sense of accomplishment as we age? - How can we better bring the various forms of intelligence to bear on organizational challenges and opportunities? - Where am I in the three turns of leadership and what does that mean for what I feel accountable for and what I might feel called to dial back on? - What are some ambiguous losses that would benefit from recognition as a first step to my embracing a new reality for myself? We hope you’ll enjoy this conversation and perhaps even see a new landscape as relates to ages and lifestages, that will benefit our leadership, our own lives, and the organizations we serve.    Additional Resources: Kristin Recommends: - - - [The Mature Mind: The Positive Power of the Aging Brain by Gene D. Cohen, M.D., Ph.D.](https://www.amazon.com/Mature-Mind-Positive-Power-Aging/dp/0465012043) - [From Strength to Strength: Finding Success, Happiness, and Deep Purpose in The Second Half of Life by Arthur C. Brooks](https://www.amazon.com/Strength-Finding-Success-Happiness-Purpose/dp/B08WDN9LSM/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=Cj0KCQjwpcOTBhCZARIsAEAYLuUn1UIWK7oygxxmHuSLbtk2GcTx4qa_nxMOYjTE4_5b8iLVuEvgZUEaAnTDEALw_wcB&hvadid=583817101393&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019699&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=13939711103977592095&hvtargid=kwd-315962631800&hydadcr=14837_10201081&keywords=strength+to+strength&qid=1651613007&sr=8-1) - [Aging Faithfully: The Holy Invitation of Growing Older by Alice Fryling ](https://www.amazon.com/Aging-Faithfully-Invitation-Growing-Older/dp/B09JKZN2M5/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1QCEE6EPJQPDF&keywords=aging+faithfully&qid=1651613047&s=audible&sprefix=aging+faith%2Caudible%2C93&sr=1-1) - [A related article Kristin wrote for Faith + Lead: Living & Leading with New Kinds of Intelligence as We Age loss to legacy](https://faithlead.luthersem.edu/living-leading-with-new-kinds-of-intelligence-as-we-age/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=sharpspring&sslid=MzM2NLK0NDE3M7EwAgA&sseid=MzIxtDA1NzKyNAAA&jobid=e8f0e533-251e-4241-8aad-65d37c34a4ff)   Listen to the Episode Now: Or Listen on your Favorite Platform: [![Spotify](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/spotify-icon-green-logo-8.png?width=25&name=spotify-icon-green-logo-8.png)](https://open.spotify.com/show/1AA0Ddsaplyjsriqtsi8G2)[ ![Apple Podcast](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Apple%20Podcast.jpg?width=25&name=Apple%20Podcast.jpg)](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-third-turn/id1531836413)[ ![Google Podcasts](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Google%20Podcasts.png?width=25&name=Google%20Podcasts.png) ](https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8yY2YyM2NlMC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw==)[ ![Pandora](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Pandora.png?width=25&name=Pandora.png)  ](https://www.pandora.com/podcast/the-3rd-turn/PC:43267)[![Anchor FM](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/anchor.png?width=25&name=anchor.png)](https://anchor.fm/thethirdturn)   ![Kristin Evenson](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Kristin%20Evenson.jpeg?width=123&name=Kristin%20Evenson.jpeg) ![Kristin - Signature Final](https://www.designgroupinternational.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Kristin%20-%20Signature%20Final.png?width=85&name=Kristin%20-%20Signature%20Final.png) [- Kristin Evenson](https://www.junctures.net/)   *[![Want to Subscribe? 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