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A Call to Leadership Courage
Episode #62 of the Third Turn Podcast with Dave Cornell

Fear is something we all face, but rarely talk about. 

Today’s guest, Dave Cornell, helps people recognize the role that fear plays in our lives and the opportunity to lead a more courageous life. According to Dave, it’s courage that calls us to take responsibility for our mistakes. Courage invites us to make the difficult decisions that can take our people and our organizations to the next level. Leading courageously allows us to not hold onto the status quo, to not worry about what others might think, or who we might offend. Leading a courageous life allows us to become who we were fully created to be as well as to lead at our very best.

Even Aristotle once said, "Courage is the greatest of all virtues because if you haven't courage, you may not have an opportunity to use any of the others." 

So what does fear look like in the context of leadership?  Dave reminds us that it’s a factor in very practical, everyday issues and needs like:

  • Struggles to hold people accountable
  • Temptations to command-and-control
  • Reticence to admit and take responsibility for our mistakes...

....and certainly in unique Third Turn leadership challenges like:

  • Hanging around too long and not making the leadership handoff
  • Stepping into the unknown of life beyond organizational leadership.

(Dave hearkened us back to Episodes 59 and 61 with Donna Schumell and Julaine Smith, who also both touched on the role of fear and courage related to expressing our vulnerability as leaders, and battling imposter syndrome.)

So it’s time to have the self-awareness to admit our fear, reframe our thinking, and operate from a different kind of confidence—especially in context of adaptive change and the natural new, never-seen-before challenges we all face in leadership. It takes a unique kind of courage to lean into the unknown and learn as we go.


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Kristin Evenson
Post by Kristin Evenson
December 20, 2022
Kristin serves as a Consultant and Coach to leaders, teams, and boards by helping them leverage their unique brand of significance in context of: - Strategic junctures--Helping leaders and teams identify what can’t change and what must; - Leadership & life challenges—Helping leaders support, sustain and strengthen their soul in leadership; - Career change & transition—Helping them think creatively and courageously about what’s next. Kristin spent 20 years with Fallon Worldwide, leading brand and communications strategy development for clients across a variety of industries—including Nordstrom, Holiday Inn Express, and Children’s Defense Fund. Her career journey since has included stints as marketing/strategy director and consultant to companies, nonprofits and ministries in the areas of strategy, culture, communications and board governance. Her teams’ work won multiple national effectiveness awards, and her consulting work resulted in a “Best Practice in People/Workplace” by Upsize Magazine. Having completed NeuroLeadership Institute’s Brain-Based Coaching Program, Kristin incorporates brain-based principles into change initiatives for organizations, teams, and individuals. She and her husband Jeff Rosell have four awesome adult sons and host an international daughter, originally from South Sudan.